Saturday, September 24, 2005

Canadian Press Newswire was the Creator of last Week’s Gas Panic

If you don’t believe that the leftist national news wire service called The Canadian Press has influence in this country, consider this. Canadians were sent into hysteria this week over the price of gas. At gas stations all across the country, vehicle owners were causing huge line ups as they rushed to fill up their tanks.

On Thursday night at the height of the panic, The Blue Maple Leaf took the route #11 Portage Avenue bus home from the St. James area of Winnipeg. The sight was eerily reminiscent of a scary Hollywood disaster movie, with cars lined up all over the roads as people tried to get to the pumps first. It was not just one or two gas stations, but every single station on the Portage Avenue strip. It seemed like there were more cars on the road between 9:00-10:00pm that night than there usually is during the morning rush hour.

As it turned out, the cause of the panic was a rumor started by the Canadian Press out of Chatham, Ontario. The rumor going around was that the newest hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico, called hurricane Rita, was wiping out all the oil platforms that were missed by the last hurricane to blow through, hurricane Katrina. As a result, 20% of the oil supply was expected to be cut off and gas prices were expected to soar as high as $3.00 per liter within days. The rumor also had it that the price was already $1.75 per liter outside the city and some places in Ontario were already selling gas at $2.00 per liter.

After the panic had settled down most people realized that this rumor was a lie. Others believed that gas prices really had gone up to $2.00 per liter overnight and that evil gas companies made a killing on gas for 24 hours. Sadly, the truth is that gas prices never jumped that high anywhere in Canada and the source of the rumor was the vehemently left-wing national news wire service called the Canadian Press.

The Canadian Press newswire service is the source of much of the left-wing propaganda floating around the country these days. Many news services like radio stations and local newspapers either cannot or will not spend the money to have their own reporters verify news stories. So what these places do is simply sign up with the Canadian Press. When the Canadian Press publishes a story, then all the news outlets and radio stations pick up the report and relay it to their audience without even checking it.

People often overlook this, but every article you read in the local newspaper that has the letters (CP) in brackets is not really a story your newspaper has verified. This is simply a Canadian Press report. Here is an example of some liberal friendly (CP) propaganda courtesy of the Canadian Press and found in The Winnipeg SUN. It is a Canadian Press article about how Paul Martin gave a speech and announced that his new basic, fundamental, number one priority for the nation was the development of wind power. Funny, wasn’t wind power the number one priority of socialist NDP leader Jack Layton?

The question Canadians have to ask is, why would the Canadian Press create mass hysteria in our country by spreading propaganda with such a blatant lie?

Maybe the answer lies in the ideology of the left and the liberal/socialist agenda they are hell bent on advancing. Global warming is an invention of the left used to create hysteria and advance the liberal/socialist agenda of raising taxes in the name of saving the planet.

The roadmap of the global warming lie is easily traceable, starting with the notion that factories and people with cars cause pollution and are evil, because they cause global warming. Gas companies are evil, because they get rich polluting the Earth and causing global warming. Gas stations are evil, because they are like the drug dealers of the oil companies. Conservatives are evil, because they want to make it easier for oil companies to get rich while oil companies destroy the planet. Alberta is the most evil, because they are the headquarters for rich oil companies and worse, they are a province run by Conservatives that are all unfairly getting rich from drilling oil, destroying the planet, causing global warming and they won’t share their wealth with the rest of Canada.

The Canadian Press constantly ignores the fact that Alberta gives far more than any other province to Ottawa and gets back far less than any other province from Ottawa. The Canadian Press ignores the fact that oil and gas is the single most regulated and taxed industry in the nation and margins are smaller than most other sectors of the economy. The Canadian Press flat out lies when it portrays the Conservative Party, or any party for that matter, as being in favor of pollution.

Yet, so many Canadians buy into the whole notion that Global warming is for real when the left-wing dominated news media in this country tells them it is so. As of today, gas prices are still hovering around $1.00 - $1.10 per liter. The only shortages of gas exist at gas stations that could not get trucks out to refill their silos fast enough. Not only did the Canadian Press not issue an apology for creating mass panic nation wide, but they have followed up their activism with another one sided (CP) story about how urgent they believe Kyoto discussions have become.

The Canadian Press does not seem to be worried about fooling all of the people all of the time. Certainly they don’t fool regular readers of this blog. However, it is the people that will continue to believe that oil companies actually made a killing by selling overpriced gas, even after the (CP) rumor is exposed as a lie, that will continue to be fooled by what they hear and read from the liberal mainstream media.

Guess it is no small wonder that these Canadians are lined up down the block on a Thursday night to buy gas.

29 Comments:

At 10:02 p.m., Blogger Dodos said...

Now Michael, be honest. Do you really believe that the reason the CP started the rumor was to push their leftist agenda of raising taxes under the guise of global warming? I thought thet left was supposed to manufacture the conspiracy theories. May I also remind you that American stations have been running stories about a huge gas increase as a result of Rita for several days now.

The bottom line is that the media, all media both left and right, are in a hurricane/gas price frenzy. The CP thought they had a good story and ran with it. They are in the media business and agencies that get hot stories like that benefit from it. The CP may be left leaning, but they are still a business who's goal it is to make money. The reason for running the story was not driven by ideology, but by the market. They made a mistake, no doubt, but the media is in one of their frenzies right now, trying to out scare the other stations and papers. Would you have called conspiracy if a right wing agency had started this report? It's bad reporting, not partisanship.

I do have a serious question for you Michael. Why do you not believe that human induced global warming is for real? Why do you see it as a left wing invention? I know that there are a few scientists out there who dispute the science behind global warming, but they are in the vast minority. Why is it that we stop listening to science when it tells us something we don't like?

I should also say that I don't believe oil companies or drivers, or even Alberta, are evil. I just don't think most people have a grasp on the reality of climate change and what some of the consequences are predicted to be. If we really believed that our children and grandchildren were important, we would do something to ensure that their future's are as good as we can provide them. Our parents and their parents before them left the earth in better shape then when they arrived. I had one grandfather in WW1, and another in WW2. They fought to secure our freedom and ease the suffering of others. The way we are going, our grandchildren will inherit a land wrought with enviornmental disasters. If Katrina has taught us anything, it is that we can't fight the enviornment. Mother Nature will win everytime.

 
At 8:38 a.m., Blogger Michael said...

"I do have a serious question for you Michael. Why do you not believe that human induced global warming is for real?" - Dodo

You have asked me this already Dodo and I have answered this already in previous articles.

 
At 10:31 a.m., Blogger Dodos said...

I apologize Michael, but I can't remember the answer. Can you please refresh my memory as it would take a long time to go thru all my posts :)

 
At 12:31 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have said it before....But Dodo likes to give out assignments.

Probably a 'control' thing.

Whatever the case, it was deeply irresponsible of CP to convey such a story without checking sources.

Global warming is not man induced although likely human abetted...

This has to do with Precession.

If no one has read about this topic, it's worth the 'eye-opening-read.

The libs are way-off on this subject....they best stick with social programs.

Frank

 
At 1:08 p.m., Blogger Dodos said...

I like to give out assignments? Why because I ask people questions about their positions?

"Whatever the case, it was deeply irresponsible of CP to convey such a story without checking sources."

No doubt. But I don't think it had anything to do with ideology, more the fact that this is the hot buton issue of the day.

"Global warming is not man induced although likely human abetted...

This has to do with Precession.

If no one has read about this topic, it's worth the 'eye-opening-read."

I'm certainly no scientist, but from what I have read the majority of climate scientists seem to discount precession. In fact most scientists seem to point to our actions as the cause. But let me ask you a question Frank - if global warming does have something to do with precession, and we as humans are making it worse, do we then have a responsibility to reduce the greenhouse gases we use?

 
At 1:34 p.m., Blogger Dave said...

Can't let this one go, dodos.

I'm an atmospheric scientist and have yet to see final conclusive evidence that climate change (the new euphemism for "global warming"--just like terrorists are now "insurgents" or "bombers") is being caused by humans. The variation in the temperatures over the earth is well within what previous warm-ups were in the past. We have no way of knowing for sure right now, but as a scientist, I have to say that the jury is still out.

 
At 1:43 p.m., Blogger Dodos said...

I appreciate your comments Dave, but do you believe then that the scientists at the IPCC are just wrong then? I would love ot hear your views as a scientist.

And I think the reason people have started to use the term climate change over global warming is because people were confused over what global warming meant. I remember reading one letter to the editor in the Star Phoenix where some guy ranted about the fact that global warming was phony because it was so cold out. The result of global warming will not just be warmer local temperatures and that seemed to confuse a lot of people.

 
At 3:09 p.m., Blogger Dave said...

I don't know if they're wrong or right. However, I think they're wrong in believing that they're definitely right, when the studies are thus far inconclusive. It seems they have this agenda to push--more research funding, or something like that. I've pored over the data and it's just not convincing enough. And the statement that just "a few scientists" dispute global warming is something I have to disagree with. So far as I've been able to discern, it's split almost down the middle. Recent journal articles are finally coming out to dispute global warming. It's good that the journal review panels have finally agreed to allow a dissenting point of view. Beforehand, the silence was deafening.

 
At 3:39 p.m., Blogger Dodos said...

Are the journals disputing global warming or the fact that humans are behind it?

As well, in a not too overly scientific way, what do you find not convincing?

I guess my next question would be if there is even a remote possibility that it is a reality and we are behind it, don't we owe it to the future generations to do something about it?

Thanks for your insights Dave.

 
At 4:58 p.m., Blogger Dave said...

Journals are disputing whether the increase in global temperature is being caused by man or by other factors. That the temperature is rising is a given. (My bad for not being clear on my wording of this earlier!)

Why it's in dispute is this: over the past millions and millions of years, the earth's temperature has increased and decreased dramatically. The amount is has varied by in the past is much much larger than what is currently happening. Because the warming signal is smaller now (with humans here) than it has been in the past (without humans here), the assertion is that it cannot be said to be a direct cause and effect.

That aside, and to your second question, yes is of course the answer. But the thing is that computer models of global circulations, temperatures, and the worst case (maximize the modelled amount of greenhouse gases emitted by us in the model) scenario seem to show that, without us here, we hardly make a dent. So, the logic goes, reducing to minuscule amounts wouldn't amount to any change at all--and that we'd be better off killing all cattle across the world to stop them from farting methane.

Now, maybe the computer models are flawed, maybe some of the assumptions are wrong, and so on. But right now, because of this, there's considerable uncertainty.

 
At 5:35 p.m., Blogger Deno said...

dodos

check this link out

http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller16.html

Here's a quote



"Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough." He’s right. Furthermore, the proclaimed consensus for global warming is bogus: 1,500 scientists (of whom only 181 work in fields related to climatology) signed a pro-global warming petition in 1997, but 19,000 scientists signed a petition a year later opposing the U.N.’s Kyoto Treaty Against Global Warming. (The petition states, "… The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind."

 
At 5:55 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo.

The answer to your question regarding limiting our greenhouse gas output.

For the most part....no. And I feel that could be generous.

Documentation of Precession goes far beyond todays science, and we have no control over it. It's a complex field, and a good grasp of math helps....

Its about time and a fractional and repeated shift of the Earth's axis.

Precession tracking over very long periods of time, have coincided with 'ice-ages'. The Pyramids were built for precession tracking, and as a clue for successive people's....and in the western hemisphere, the Mayans and Olmecs before them.....have also left evidence of an understanding of this natural phenomenom.

I very much suggest this subject to all.

I really do believe that arguing in favour man induced global warming...is like belonging to "The Flat Earth Society".

Pardon the pun, but you 'progressives' are only concentrating on the 'tip of the iceburg'.

Frank

 
At 6:07 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

***ONE MORE THING***

A minor change in subject, for fun.....and Dodo, tell me how ya did, I'll also share my result.

Check this site and test on your political and social beliefs...it's rather good.

okcupid.com/politics

Michael...hope this okay with you.....

Frank.

 
At 7:57 p.m., Blogger Dodos said...

Thanks for the info Dave. I have always heard and read the opposite, that while the global temperature rises and falls naturally, the temperature over the last hundred years has been unprecedented as a result of human activities. I will take what you say and go back and read more.

And Deno, as for your quote, I think there is big difference between condeming the Kyoto Treaty and disputing whether or not human activities have contrbuted to global warming. I myself don't agree with Kyoto, but still believe that human induced global warming is a reality.

I think that while some people do not agree that humans have caused global warming, we still need to reduce our consumption of oil. With the increasing prices, increasing competiton and peak production just around the corner we need to start looking at alternative sources quickly.

As for my score Frank:

You are a
Social Liberal
(80% permissive)

and an...
Economic Liberal
(23% permissive)

You are best described as a:

Strong Democrat

You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.

The question is Frank, what did you score?

 
At 8:23 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo

Must go from memory, as I did not save it.

The blurb on the very well developed sense of right and wrong, and economic fairness was the same....and verbatim, I believe.

(Lucky you, to share one of my attributes)

I scored as a social conservative....55% permissive.

I believe I came across as 73% permissive as fiscal conservative.

Was best described as Capitalist.....landing as a mix of libertarian and republican on that graphy thing. You would have been further south on it, maybe snuggled up to Hillary's.....I landed on Donald Trumps nose.

I think it was a fairly accurate assessment....and perhaps for you too.

Nice to have some fun too, no?

Take a flyer on that precession stuff. It'll facinate you.

Frank.

 
At 8:27 p.m., Blogger Michael said...

I did not take this lib test. But I did take a "How Conservative are You" test. I scored 88%. The caption read,

"Wow. You really do believe that Fox News is Fair and Balanced."

Of course it is. What a silly caption! :)

 
At 9:01 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL!....Michael. (what a quote)

If you have 5 minutes, try this one....sounds much less simplistic.

lol.....Frank

 
At 11:45 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for the record, I'm a copy editor at the Wpg Sun, and I made the decision to run the Martin wind power story, aware that it was largely a Liberal PR episode, for a few reasons:
There wasn't a lot of other Canadian copy on the CP budget that day, and I had some space to fill; wind power is a story with Manitoba interest because of the St. Leon project; people should know that the Liberals are spending a lot of our money on a wind power 'institute' when private companies seem to be doing quite nicely in the wind power biz without having an 'institute', and maybe being made aware of it, readers/taxpayers would ask the question, 'is this another pork barrel boondoggle?' which is why I drew attention to that angle in the drophead. And I was also able to have a little fun by saying "PM's big on wind' for the mirthful double meanings some might apply to that. I also used the goofiest photo from the event - so we all have our agendas, you see.
That said, I tend to broadly agree with your contention about 'left-wing agendas' at CP and the media in general, but they are almost unconscious in nature. Some CP and AP copy really gets my back up - and Reuters can be worse. Sometimes the spin is quite overt, and yes, wire copy is typically received unquestioned, as there must be an element of trust - but there are things that are questioned and which don't get passed along, too.
It can be awkward being a conservative in this business.
As for the gas panic, I think it is a case of shooting the messenger to blame the media for that one. On the other hand, the media groupthink has definitely drunk the Kool-Aid on the global warming issue.

 
At 1:38 p.m., Blogger Deno said...

Hello Micheal

Thank you for your comments about Alberta and the oil industry. You wrote.

" Alberta is the most evil, because they are the headquarters for rich oil companies and worse, they are a province run by Conservatives that are all unfairly getting rich from drilling oil, destroying the planet, causing global warming and they won’t share their wealth with the rest of Canada.

The Canadian Press constantly ignores the fact that Alberta gives far more than any other province to Ottawa and gets back far less than any other province from Ottawa. The Canadian Press ignores the fact that oil and gas is the single most regulated and taxed industry in the nation and margins are smaller than most other sectors of the economy."

I was born and raised in Ile des Chene Manitoba until I moved to Edmonton Alberta in 1980 when I was 16 years old. I've lived in Alberta ever since and I don't think there is a better place in the world to live. Up until the last 10 years I considered my self a Canadian first and Albertan second. I felt this way even after I lost my job in the oil patch shortly after my government in Ottawa decided to destroy the Alberta economy with the NEP back in the early 1980's. The anger that many in Alberta felt towards Ottawa because of the NEP was funnelled into the Reform Party of Canada. When Reform won over 50 seats in the 1993 election I thought that change in Ottawa was not only possible but probable. I can't believe how naive I was back then to believe that the people of Ontario and Quebec would care about any of the concerns of Albertans.

I had my first internet hook up in 1993 and was able to read all of Canada's daily newspapers reactions to 53 Reform seat in the west. I also watch the CBC and CTV for their reactions to the west called for change by voting Reform and destroying the PC party. Instead of seeing the fact that many westerners voted for change, the media only talked about how Reform was racist and anti-French. Since I am a French and I know people who are not white that were Reform party members, I knew these allegation were not true. The Canadian media made sure over the next few years that anytime Reform Party was mentioned that the words racism and anti French followed. Reform did everything possible to show that it was neither, they change their name and leader but still the media finds fault with them. When reform changed into the Alliance Party and then merge with what left of the old PC party to become the Conservative Party I had given up on the party and let my membership elapse.

Today I am a Alberta separatist. Even though I've voted in each federal election since I was 18 years old and always believe that voting was a civic duty I will no longer vote federally anymore unless there is a new Alberta Block party that is devoted to the separation of Alberta from Canada. Since there is not such a party today I will not participate in the fixed federal elections of Canada. I still will do my civic duty by voting in all of Alberta provincial and municipal election and I've joined the Separation Party of Alberta to rid Alberta of the socialist Klien Tories and replace them with a party that is much further to the right then Klien and his buddies and dedicated to Alberta separation. While I'll always be a Blue Bomber fan and Manitoba will always hold a special place in my heart I will do everything I can to help remove Alberta from this corrupt, regressive country called Canada. Again thanks for your understanding of Alberta. If people like you were not such a small minority in the rest of Canada maybe people like me who believe that separation from Canada is the only viable way to protect Alberta from Ottawa would never of become separatist in the first place.

http://www.separationalberta.com/

Deno

 
At 6:04 p.m., Blogger Michael said...

As much as I admire The Winnipeg SUN for its fair and balanced approach to journalism, I must disagree with our editor friend’s comment. The Toronto Star columnist, Thomas Walkom, did an excellent job of tracking source of the gas panic rumor right back to its source. That source was a fabricated (CP) story that sighted an unnamed gas station in making this story up. Its one thing when the (CP) sights anonymous sources when making up news stories, but an unnamed gas station? Since when do retail businesses need to lay low?

And of course this was done to push an agenda. The underlying premise of putting out a news story that blames gas companies for price gouging fits perfectly with the socialist agenda of imposing more taxes, regulations and price controls on the energy sector. Just like Dan Rather’s forged documents fit perfectly with the agenda to discredit George W. Bush’s National Guard service. Just like Paul Hunter’s misrepresentation of poll numbers fit perfectly with the agenda of portraying Paul Martin as the wire brush of the liberal party.

To say that blaming the media for the gas panic is a case of shooting the messenger would be the same as calling it a case of shooting the messenger to blame Orson Welles for the 1938 War of the Worlds fiasco when national panic caused riots and mass suicides.

And to add to the fabricated story of gas shortages and price hikes, socialist NDP leader Jack Layton was on CTV News yesterday announcing that he is willing to let the corrupt, scandal plagued liberals buy the votes of the socialist NDP MPs for the low, low price of nothing…provided the liberals pass some legislation that imposes artificial price controls on the energy sector and makes it government’s role to regulate the price of gas. This would be another looming disaster for the energy sector, one not seen since the horror days of Trudeau’s National Energy Program.

 
At 6:43 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our editor friend provided an interesting point of view.

Much appreciated.

He gets a ton of my respect on the global warming bunk. The rationale offered by the 'left' on this subject is amazingly narrow. I give the 'left' credit, for being as equally intelligent as the 'right'. So when I see them ignoring other evidence on the subject, while zealously advancing their limited theory....I can't help but wonder about the motive.

On the "gas panic"....I tend to sit closer to Michael's theory. On a minimal level our 'left-leaning' press seems obsessed with the "We are doomed!" mentality, as evidenced by their daily and predictable headlines. The CPC falls conveniently into the hysteria, and is also exploited.

More recently our press has been openly discussing nationalising our Oil Industry. It could be that the "gas panic' stuff dovetails neatly with the emerging nationalisation debate.

And I've never been one to believe in coincidences.

Frank

 
At 4:08 a.m., Blogger Michael said...

That is an excellent point Frank. I meant to include all the trial balloons that the libs have been floating on a new version of the National Energy Program in my last comment.

We have seen this coordination before on so many issues. Whether it's SSM, legalizing pot or other issues, the leftist politicians and the media coordination is almost seamless. So it is not surprising that the Layton interview at CTV comes on the heals of this nationwide gas panic.

 
At 4:35 p.m., Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geez! Michael....you'd think you might have asked me to 'pop' one.

People just don't wanna know.

Imagine the insult to the ego....coming to grips with having supported the Grits?

And for some people....all their voting lives!

Too much to handle for some. Belief-systems aren't built over-night.

Just like many of the Iraqi's are struggling to cope, with their newly discovered freedoms, coupled with a negative back-drop from their neighbour-States, that take no comfort with this fledgling 'freedom experiment'.

Frank.......cheers!

 
At 10:47 a.m., Blogger Brian C said...

If the Liberal government is truly serious about addressing global change issues, they have only had in excess of a decade to develop such a plan. Has the Liberal government developed a plan to massively fund mass transit in our cities? Nope. Has the Liberal government developed a plan to make train travel more realistic for the common Canadian? My stance being a convervative/green hybrid is that oil output has peaked. PERIOD! It would be swell if the Liberal/NDP government would stop searching for mean old oil company conpiricies and DEVELOP A HIGH OIL PRICE PLAN.What will happen to our trucking industry? (I am not a trucker) Perhaps truckers need a separate lower price for gasoline than other Canadians.

Liberals, stop the stupid rhetoric and develop a detailed plan for Canada. Gasoline may go down in the next recession but that will likely be a short term respite. It is not necessary to believe global warning or not. If the commodity is scarce, that is all that is important when it comes right down to it.

Hey Deno the separatist, if you want to take my province out of Confederation, is there any scenario in which you'll be happy in Canada. What if we get a convervative government? Still no deal?

 
At 8:48 a.m., Blogger Deno said...

"What if we get a convervative government? Still no deal?"



A conservative government would make no difference, they would still have to cater to Ontario and Quebec to stay in power so nothing would change under a conservative government. Today's system of government in Canada benefits Ontario and Quebec to much for them to ever agree to change this system and actually share power. After all people in Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa know best what is good for people who live 2 thousand miles away. (sarcasm)

"is there any scenario in which you'll be happy in Canada."



A triple E senate would help.

A supreme court that is only choose a new a new judge by a 2/3 majority of that triple E senate.

A national constitution that is respected by the federal government. This mean that Ottawa stays out of ALL provincial responsibilities like health care and resources.

A federal government that is today 1/10th the size it is with virtually no power over the people of Alberta or any other province.

Checks and balances to prevent the rampant corruption and cronyism that exist in Ottawa today.


I won't hold my breath waiting for any of these things to happen. Alberta separation is the only answer.

 
At 8:52 a.m., Blogger Deno said...

"What if we get a convervative government? Still no deal?"



A conservative government would make no difference, they would still have to cater to Ontario and Quebec to stay in power so nothing would change under a conservative government. Today's system of government in Canada benefits Ontario and Quebec to much for them to ever agree to change this system and actually share power. After all people in Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa know best what is good for people who live 2 thousand miles away from them. (sarcasm)

Canada will always be a deal between Ontario and Quebec with the rest of the providences a after thought!



"is there any scenario in which you'll be happy in Canada."



A triple E senate would help.

A supreme court that is only choose a new a new judge by a 2/3 majority of that triple E senate.

A national constitution that is respected by the federal government. This mean that Ottawa stays out of ALL provincial responsibilities like health care and resources.

A federal government that is today 1/10th the size it is with virtually no power over the people of Alberta or any other province.

Checks and balances to prevent the rampant corruption and cronyism that exist in Ottawa today.


I won't hold my breath waiting for any of these things to happen. Alberta separation is the only answer.

 
At 8:57 a.m., Blogger Deno said...

"What if we get a convervative government? Still no deal?"



A conservative government would make no difference, they would still have to cater to Ontario and Quebec to stay in power so nothing would change. Today's system of government in Canada benefits Ontario and Quebec to much for them to ever agree to change this system and actually share power. After all the people who live in Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa know best what is good for people who live 2 thousand miles away from them. (sarcasm)

Canada will always be a deal between Ontario and Quebec with the rest of the providences a after thought!



"is there any scenario in which you'll be happy in Canada."



A triple E senate would help.

A supreme court that can only choose a new a new judge by a 2/3 majority of a triple E senate.

A national constitution that is respected by the federal government. This mean that Ottawa stays out of ALL provincial responsibilities like health care and resources.

A federal government that is today 1/10th the size it is with virtually no power over the people of Alberta or from any other province.

Checks and balances to prevent the rampant corruption and cronyism that exist in Ottawa today.


I won't hold my breath waiting for any of these things to happen.
Alberta separation is the only answer.

 
At 10:56 p.m., Blogger Brian C said...

Deno,

I suppose we really shouldn't hijack Michael's post on a silly separatism issue.

The Senate does need reforming. I would be happy with a double-E senate (elected and effective) and based on close to equal representation between regions, not provinces. C'mon PEI should not have the same # of senators as Ont.

Uh oh, I agree that the feds can't seem to manage health care so it would be better if the provinces had the taxation power to manage their own system. Resources should be a provincial responsibility.

Yep, the House should be more accountable.

The key difference is that you don't believe that the west will ever be a force. I am confident that due to immigration and the emergence of BC & Sask as have provinces, the West can have a more uniform voice. Separatism isn't necessary...it is not the only answer.

Well, you do seem to want something positive out of our country anyways, that's all I'm after.

 
At 2:26 p.m., Blogger Deno said...

"I suppose we really shouldn't hijack Michael's post on a silly separatism issue"

Hey Brian C

If Alberta separation is such a silly issue why did you bother to respond?


“The Senate does need reforming. I would be happy with a double-E senate (elected and effective) and based on close to equal representation between regions, not provinces. C'mon PEI should not have the same # of senators as Ont.”



Why not? Wyoming with a population of 493,782 people (this is smaller then the city of Winnipeg) has just as many senators as California with a population of 33,871,648 people (this is more then all of Canada.)
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/population.shtml



“The key difference is that you don't believe that the west will ever be a force. I am confident that due to immigration and the emergence of BC & Sask as have provinces, the West can have a more uniform voice.”



You are wrong, I believe that Alberta (not the west) is already a major economic force in Canada. Since Alberta has zero politician clout in Canada this means nothing. All Alberta’s good fortune is going to do for the providence in Canada is guarantee that Ottawa will come up with another NEP that will rape the providence again and destroy it’s economy like they did in the 1980’s. Already there is a movement in Ontario to “nationalize the oil industry” which is another word for raping Alberta’s oil wealth again and give it to Ontario and Quebec.


“Separatism isn't necessary...it is not the only answer.”



Again you are wrong, seperation is the only answer for Alberta.
Canada has always been and always be a deal between Ontario and Quebec. This will never change because Ontario and Quebec will make sure it never changes. Since these two provience control everything that happens nationally and policically in this country they will use their power to destroy Alberta’s economy and force it to “have not” status like the rest of the west. This will force Alberta to be dependent on Otawa for it’s economic survial in the future. I lived through the unemploymnet the NEP caused in the 1980’s. How would you feel Brian if you knew that your government in Ottawa that you’ve paid taxes too went out of their way to destroy your livelhood to win brownie points from the voters in Ontario and Quebec.

 

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